Maximum safe draw depth for aluminum

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Maximum safe draw depth for aluminum

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Esme Shaw

18.11.2024 at 16:51

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Hi everyone, I’m designing an automotive underbody heat shield using 0.8 mm thick aluminum alloy 5052-H32 for progressive die stamping. My main challenge is determining the optimal draw depth for complex geometries without risking material thinning or tearing. Some areas of the part require a draw depth of up to 25 mm. Given the material properties and thickness, I’m concerned about maintaining part integrity during the deep drawing process.

I’m looking for advice on:

Calculating the maximum safe draw depth for this specific material and thickness
Strategies to achieve deeper draws without compromising material integrity

Has anyone worked with similar geometries and materials? What approaches have you found successful in optimizing draw depth while ensuring part quality?

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Hi,
To perform a basic check you can check the limiting draw ratio (LDR) using this formula: LDR =Dmax/d

Where Dmax is the maximum diameter of the blank and d is the diameter of the punch. You can determine the blank diameter using: r1 = r2(r2 + 2H)

Where r1 is the radius of the blank, r2 radius of the cup and H is the height of the cup. Once you have the blank radius you can calculate the LDR. Ultimately, you need to get the specific LDR for the material you are using from the material supplier. If your calculated LDR falls in the recommended range indicated by the supplier, then you should be able to deep draw the material.

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Esme Shaw

18.11.2024 at 16:51

Hi everyone, I’m designing an automotive underbody heat shield using 0.8 mm thick aluminum alloy 5052-H32 for progressive die stamping. My main challenge is determining the optimal draw depth for complex geometries without risking material thinning or tearing. Some areas of the part require a draw depth of up to 25 mm. Given the material properties and thickness, I’m concerned about maintaining part integrity during the deep drawing process.

I’m looking for advice on:

Calculating the maximum safe draw depth for this specific material and thickness

Strategies to achieve deeper draws without compromising material integrity

Has anyone worked with similar geometries and materials? What approaches have you found successful in optimizing draw depth while ensuring part quality?

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Esme Shaw

19.11.2024 at 15:59

Marshall

Thank you Marshall, the calculation you provided seems to be for a cylindrical shape, how can I determine the max draw depth of more complex shapes?

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Marshall

19.11.2024 at 17:40

Esme Shaw

The above equation was presented as a simple way to check if your material can be deep drawn. If it fails this check then it definitely won’t work for more complex shapes. For a more detailed analysis on a complex geometry, you will have to perform an FEA analysis. Alternatively, you can reach out to a deep drawing company as they will have more than enough experience to tell you if you can or cannot manufacture your part using your chosen material.

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Lloyd

22.11.2024 at 15:37

Marshall

As another user mentioned, you will not be able to do a simple hand calculation to check if your material can be deep-drawn. However, there are a few techniques that can reduce the possibility of failure when deep drawing difficult geometries. For example, lubrication, die design, and blank clamp pressure optimization can all help reduce common failure modes.

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Esme Shaw

26.11.2024 at 09:02

Lloyd

These interventions will all be in the control of the workshop manufacturing the part, is there anything I can do from a design or material selection perspective to improve formability?

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Lloyd

02.01.2025 at 16:06

Esme Shaw

Hi Esme, one thing I can think of is to use a softer material, for example, 5052-O, and then temper the completed part to 5050-H32.

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Hi everyone, I’m designing an automotive underbody heat shield using 0.8 mm thick aluminum alloy 5052-H32 for progressive die stamping. My main challenge is determining the optimal draw depth for complex geometries without risking material thinning or tearing. Some areas of the part require a draw depth of up to 25 mm. Given the material properties and thickness, I’m concerned about maintaining part integrity during the deep drawing process.

I’m looking for advice on:

Calculating the maximum safe draw depth for this specific material and thickness

Strategies to achieve deeper draws without compromising material integrity

Has anyone worked with similar geometries and materials? What approaches have you found successful in optimizing draw depth while ensuring part quality?

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Thank you Marshall, the calculation you provided seems to be for a cylindrical shape, how can I determine the max draw depth of more complex shapes?

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The above equation was presented as a simple way to check if your material can be deep drawn. If it fails this check then it definitely won’t work for more complex shapes. For a more detailed analysis on a complex geometry, you will have to perform an FEA analysis. Alternatively, you can reach out to a deep drawing company as they will have more than enough experience to tell you if you can or cannot manufacture your part using your chosen material.

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As another user mentioned, you will not be able to do a simple hand calculation to check if your material can be deep-drawn. However, there are a few techniques that can reduce the possibility of failure when deep drawing difficult geometries. For example, lubrication, die design, and blank clamp pressure optimization can all help reduce common failure modes.

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These interventions will all be in the control of the workshop manufacturing the part, is there anything I can do from a design or material selection perspective to improve formability?

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Hi Esme, one thing I can think of is to use a softer material, for example, 5052-O, and then temper the completed part to 5050-H32.

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Marshall · Accepted Answer

Hi,
To perform a basic check you can check the limiting draw ratio (LDR) using this formula: LDR =Dmax/d

Where Dmax is the maximum diameter of the blank and d is the diameter of the punch. You can determine the blank diameter using: r1 = r2(r2 + 2H)

Where r1 is the radius of the blank, r2 radius of the cup and H is the height of the cup. Once you have the blank radius you can calculate the LDR. Ultimately, you need to get the specific LDR for the material you are using from the material supplier. If your calculated LDR falls in the recommended range indicated by the supplier, then you should be able to deep draw the material.

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